Aluminum siding and RRP

[dgbldr]

Re: Aluminum siding and RRP

Yes they are. All of them. Once you test positive, the owner is required to disclose that in the future, which reduces the value of the house. I have never met a HO willing to take the testing risk, and I don't blame them.

I'd say that for a 1960 house, there is a good chance that any paint has lead. Randy, can you share why you think factory paint in 1960 did not contain lead?

[TSJHD1]

Re: Aluminum siding and RRP

I'd say that for a 1960 house, there is a good chance that any paint has lead.

Right. So then, what's the big concern about testing? The house is now less valuable because you know the paint has lead, vs being relatively certain it has lead?

If I was in the market for a house, and a realtor showed me 2 houses, both built in 1960, and one of them had a disclosure stating lead paint in the siding, it would not mean that that house is now less valuable to me than the other house, because I have to operate under the assumption that the other house has lead paint also. You would never value a house built in that era at a certain price based on an assumption that the house didn't have lead paint. The only thing that would affect the house's price in terms of lead paint or not, is if the siding were tested, and it came back negative.

How about this... Give them 2 prices, with the difference being RRP compliance. Then ask the customer if they will proceed with the job if either condition exists (lead or no lead). If they agree, then do the test, then do the job with or without compliance, depending on the outcome of the test. Then the siding is gone, and no issues with needing to disclose the presence of lead paint.

The only reason I can think of not to do the test, is if they will opt to not remove the siding (because of the extra costs) if the test comes back (or would have come back) positive. Does that make sense?

It's kinda like playing spades when the other team only needs 4 "books" to win. So they bid "board". And you bid 10. I've had this discussion many times. My brother gets it; My mother doesn't. She always says, "We can't possibly get 10!" I try to tell her that by bidding 10 it can't hurt us, only help.

And I'm saying it's the same thing for that test. You find out there is no lead, then you're ahead of the game (no extra costs due to RRP compliance). You find out there is lead, nothing lost.

Tom

[Randy Bush]

Re: Aluminum siding and RRP

I still contend that a factory applied finish on aluminum or steel siding was not a lead base paint. It was a automotive type paint and finish , I don't know of any automotive paint that was lead paint. I don't know how old the siding is , but I would think you could get a factory spec sheet on the siding finish.I have seen aluminum siding - years old that is only weather fade with no flaking or peeling of the paint just like painted bad then .

Randy

[kfc510]

Re: Aluminum siding and RRP

Right. So then, what's the big concern about testing? The house is now less valuable because you know the paint has lead, vs being relatively certain it has lead?

Tom

Yes, that's exactly it. it may not be rational, but humans are not entirely rational beings. Most homebuyers aren't looking at things the way an experienced builder would.

When the inspections and disclosures are set out at an open house, people at best kind of skim over the general ones. There is always some general statement about the possibility of lead paint in older homes, but it doesn't register with most folks the way a specific positive test does. Since every older home has the same boilerplate about the possibility, people eventually tune it out. A positive test tunes it right back in.

k

[Randy Bush]

Re: Aluminum siding and RRP

Personally I think that very soon all pre- 78 houses will have to be tested for lead and disclosed when sold. I see that happenig once they no longer allow the test swabs. and require 3rd party testing on all work done on a home.


Randy
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The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a cheap price is forgotten.

[kfc510]

Re: Aluminum siding and RRP

Personally I think that very soon all pre- 78 houses will have to be tested for lead and disclosed when sold. I see that happenig once they no longer allow the test swabs. and require 3rd party testing on all work done on a home.


Randy
__________________________________________________ ________________________
The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a cheap price is forgotten.

California already doesn't allow us to use the swabs for any kind of official result.
k