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    I'm gearing up for a job in a condo in a high-rise building. None of the work is in any common area, only inside of one condo unit. Is there a requirement to notify all the tenants in the building or on that floor? I can't find any and the building manager has no clue because no other contractor has ever mentioned RRP to them.
    Any info appreciated.

  • #2
    Maybe Bill R will chime in.

    My memory is that you need to notify others because you will probably be moving supplies and tools and people back and forth from the worked in area and the areas with not work being done. Cleaning anything that was in the area needs to be done, double bag trash and then wipe off the outside of the bags, etc. Been a while but that is what I am recalling.

    If you talk to folks who live there you may hear stories about "we can tell when the neighbor is having Italian food or smoking anything or even just using incense" If the odor travels some where there is a leak between units. It could be below, above or besides the units you are working on. Which could lead to RRP issues.


    • #3
      DG, it's a 1978 (whatever that year is) high rise and the unit hasn't been touched since then?
      Portland Renovations, Inc.


      • #4
        Certainly there is a requirement for signage and notifications..

        It seems to me that you put up signs around the area and at access to the floor where the work area is located.

        The signs should identify the area of work, the unit, and how to contact you for additional information.

        This is NOT an official declaration of how you should proceed. It is my interpretation.

        If you wanted to go the extra mile consider putting a pamphlet in each mail box.

        Document everything with photographs or signatures.


        • #5
          Originally posted by Dutchman View Post
          DG, it's a 1978 (whatever that year is) high rise and the unit hasn't been touched since then?
          The building is over 100 years old. And the unit has been touched, I'm sure


          • #6
            Originally posted by Bill Robinson View Post
            Certainly there is a requirement for signage and notifications.
            Bill, I only find this requirement in the compliance guide:

            • For work in common areas of multi-family housing, you must:
            Either distribute renovation notices to tenants or post informational signs about the renovation or repair job.

            Do you have a reference to any signage and notification requirements when the work is NOT in any common area?


            • #7
              That's not a HUD project is it? The have a different program, requires clearance testing, etc., Lead Safe or something, I see it on multi-families but I believe it is mostly rentals.
              When you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

              Theodore Roosevelt


              • #8
                No Ted, it's quite the opposite. Luxury condos with original maid quarters from 1910.


                • #9
                  Originally posted by dgbldr View Post

                  The building is over 100 years old. And the unit has been touched, I'm sure
                  Oh stop it, you know what I mean. Hard to believe it hasn't been renovated in over 100 years but if so, pretty cool.
                  Portland Renovations, Inc.


                  • #10
                    Dutch, the building itself is mostly original, all very durable materials. The condo unit has had some minor cheesy remodeling, basically a bunch of cheap kitchen cabinets. But mostly intact. Building structure is concrete beams and floors with interior walls plaster over some sort of masonry units I haven't seen before. Amber colored blocks with cylindrical hollow cores.


                    • #11
                      Remember back in the day when we didn't have to worry about all this crap designed to keep lawyers in business? We could just go in, do the job and get out. We don't do condo association work anymore because there is always the condo owner from Hades.


                      • #12
                        DG, I don’t have the chapter and verse however my suggestion is what I would do.

                        And to be sure that is not an official EPA response

                        And Bruce, while the old days may be compelling causing neurological damage to children is not



                        • #13
                          Bill, I wasn't suggesting kids should eat paint chips. I thought we were talking about the endless technicalities of notifying everybody within ten miles that we are doing a job.


                          • #14
                            It is not clear your point here, if you believe the problem is kids eating paint chips there is more for you to learn.

                            In fact the term "kids eating paint chips" smacks of a predisposition to a certain demographic who are susceptible to lead paint dust poisioning.

                            That saiid the method by which the EPA is monitoring the RRP situation is pretty ****ed up.


                            • #15
                              Bill, you seem to have a burr under your saddle. Obviously there are no kids eating paint chips in a high end condo.
                              My point, just to repeat it, is that I was addressing the burdensome regulations of having to notify everyone in the building that work was being done. And other technical requirements. We deal with senseless technicalities all the time and it drives our expenses and prices higher.
                              FYI, I'm Lead Safe Certified.