Am I crazy or just lacking in experience? (my guess is both)

[kfc510]

Who is still putting PT wood in the ground for anything structural?

A structural engineer could easily come up with some lateral bracing. Hopefully someone calls one.... :)

Ah you guys are no fun. I'm being told it's common practice in some places for the GC to supply the details, but no one wants to even do it as a thought exercise...

k

[MarkMc]

... but no one wants to even do it as a thought exercise...

k

Just add the chimney.

[Dick Hackbarth]

X-bracing. 2x8's or 2x10's, from the bottom of one column to the top of the opposite column, (8 thus). And, you could stencil on one of the 2x’s on each wall plane “The CAD guy forgot these.” Let the GC pick the number of siding nails or sheet rock screw at each connection, because who really cares anyway.

[MarkMc]

X-bracing.

Any way we can get that to work using #12 piano wire? ;

[Lavrans]

So what would you guys do to stiffen that frame, if you were going to bid on the project?

Some kind of stylized corner brackets/braces? Plain diagonals?

Or set some heavily treated posts deeply into the ground?

Or what?
kevin

Shoot- pile some steel into the ground. Weld on a pan, pour a nice concrete pad for the tile. Build up a good concrete fireplace reinforced to be structural, brick veneer, insert fireplace rather than masonry. Columns clad with whatever above a brick veneer over the bottom (as per drawing), concealing the steel. Steel cross-beam welded to columns, creates a frame. Simply wrap with wood or, as they were fine with exposed PSL, put a patina on it and call it good. PSL for the framing to keep the rough/industrial look going to compliment the original plan. Roof is easy at that point.

2-3 days for steel. 4-5 days concrete (single pour column integrated with pad). 4 days for roof & railing. 1 week for brick veneers. 3 days for tile. But it'd all be extended out a bit waiting for concrete to cure, etc.

[kfc510]

X-bracing. 2x8's or 2x10's, from the bottom of one column to the top of the opposite column, (8 thus). And, you could stencil on one of the 2x’s on each wall plane “The CAD guy forgot these.”

Heh Heh.
k

[kfc510]

Shoot- pile some steel into the ground. Weld on a pan, pour a nice concrete pad for the tile. Build up a good concrete fireplace reinforced to be structural, brick veneer, insert fireplace rather than masonry. Columns clad with whatever above a brick veneer over the bottom (as per drawing), concealing the steel. Steel cross-beam welded to columns, creates a frame. Simply wrap with wood or, as they were fine with exposed PSL, put a patina on it and call it good. PSL for the framing to keep the rough/industrial look going to compliment the original plan. Roof is easy at that point.

2-3 days for steel. 4-5 days concrete (single pour column integrated with pad). 4 days for roof & railing. 1 week for brick veneers. 3 days for tile. But it'd all be extended out a bit waiting for concrete to cure, etc.

Works for me.

k

[Lavrans]

Easier said than done... ;)

[miterme]

I actually bid a project with something like this earlier this summer.
Similar design, architectural truss framing with iron, T&G ceiling, FP with stone veneers.
The foundation was perimeter grade beam with a slab infill.The grade beam was stepped as it went up the hill, top was a few inches above grade and flat and it had piers. CMUs with steel embedded into the beams made up the legs of the roof framing (wrapped in stone veneer). Top of the CMUS were column caps. Exposed rafter tails were large and contoured, tile roof with copper gutters and downspouts, iron railing, built in seats, etc. Wood burning FP and outdoor seating area. Just the pool pavilion on your average 7 mill home in earthquake county.

I myself do not find it worthwhile to frame an exterior structure such as this on wood over grade that low, with tile capping. Long term, its much safer to go concrete.

[miterme]

I will also add, as long as I am not responsible for the design and there is a engineer on board, I would bid it and build it to spec. Once I got the job I would make suggestions and if not heeded I have no problem building to spec. You never know, sometimes other people have decent ideas.

[ashleyturnier]

This plan scares me on a couple different levels, but before I open my mouth to the contractor/architect/home owner, I want to make sure I'm not crazy. FYI, if I do this job, I'll be a subcontractor that supplies the timbers (arch. has them speced as PSLs) and labor to frame this structure.

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