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    Default Great Website Example - Replacement Contractor

    http://www.thompsoncreek.com/

    I just wrote a great post about this and then nuked it by accident, so let me do the bullet-point version of what makes this a great website. There's a couple things I'd nit-pick (the Social Media menu that follows me around - hate those) - but I'm betting this company is driving a lot of new business with their website. I know of the developer - they've bid some 6-figure projects to us in the past and are serious students of what they're doing. I doubt this company spent anything close to that- but I'm sure it was a serious investment. Use what they're doing correctly to guide your own site development.

    - Smart use of their domain name. Not too long for email, easy to type - still descriptive
    - MOBILE-SPECIFIC VERSION. Looks/works great on the iPhone, no doubt other platforms too.
    - Nice clean layout with plenty of white space
    - Very consistent navigation
    - Instant clarity about what they sell and who they are.
    - Good emotional hooks in the images
    - I can grab key info (like their phone number) with my mouse. Not being able to do that is a pet peeve of mine.
    - Call to action on every page - appropriate to the content presented
    - Products clearly presented
    - Good project galleries
    - Great use of Video for testimonials
    - Obvious thought-leadership. These guys are a big company and are steering their market, instead of visa-versa
    - Current "news" feed (2012) .
    - A local editor could create a feature piece for the Sunday paper's magazine with just what's on the site. This is huge - if you're not giving your local media what they need to feature you without a lot of phone tag - you're missing the mark entirely.

    I could go on for another 100 items - but it's obvious to me this site is the real deal. Use examples like this as you plan your own WordPress (or whatever) sites.

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    I agree, that's an excellent site. It's so hard to find the right balance of design, while getting the message across. There are so few web developers that really understand how critical it is to stay on point throughout the whole site. And forget about developers or code writers (and I say this in the most respectful way) assisting with design...to them, ultimate beauty is a screen full of code.
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    I have to differ. It may check all the boxes, but I find it very unappealing.

    1. It's extremely cluttered. There is information all over the place in no logical format. I count 7 different formats from top to bottom of the home page.

    2. Two separate menu bars across the top of home page, with 13 choices total- way too many.

    3. The banner/slidehow flashes to the next slide before I can read it- very irritating.

    4. The social media bar that follows you down the page is annoying.

    5. The slick stock photos look completely fake. I am certain nobody in those photos works at the company or are real customers. No human connection.

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    The social media bar is presented amazingly well, with all relevant sites. So many businesses are thriving on that component. This is a perfect example of what a website in 2012 should look like. The photos work. A couple of attractive women can appeal to men as well as women, making it less intimidating. The dollar signs floating in the air appeals to everyone. The line art illustration of the product show all the detail well, very quickly
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    I actually pretty much agree with you - especially the follow-the-menu-bar and the stock photos. We recommend using ONLY your own job photos and own customers, no stock photos, ever. However -- focus groups don't draw much emotional distinction between a stock photo with people and a company photo with people. Either one gets the job done. I've actually had that battle with several agencies - they avoid using client-provided photos with humans because of the releases necessary and extra paperwork etc. They feel they can get similar impact with stock photos by just paying a license fee and that fits their workflow better -and they'll show you numbers to prove that. My argument is 'yes - but if you use real projects, real customers - real crew -- it gives your salespeople something else to make a connection with, that a stock photo will never get you. So yeah - always use your own photos if you can.

    As I said up-front there are a couple of things I'd nit-pick, and you pretty much found them. But don't lose the forest because of the trees. The objective of a marketing website is to fill your sales pipeline with qualified leads - and this site gets it done. This is still an excellent example of a remodeler/replacement website - produced by one of the best strategic web developers in the business - and I'm positive it's effective for the company. You can get way too hung up on details that don't make any difference in the performance of the site, to the exclusion of the 20% of things that will bring you 80% of the value.

    That doesn't mean there's not room for improvement, and that's the great thing about the Internet - you don't have to "stop the presses" to tweak something.

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    Replying to my own reply... but thought I should mention. The "dual top bar" with the phone number planted in-between is actually becoming quite common. This is another usability/focus issue... different people look in different places for key information. If you look at the very top bar you'll notice it replicates some of what is either behind the drop-downs in the bottom bar, or stuff at the bottom of the page. . There is nothing wrong with that - and in fact it's a good way to bring attention to items that would otherwise be hidden. Does it look the best? You can make the argument that it does not... but the real question is "is it producing the maximum number of qualified prospects possible" and I"m willing to bet that it is. I don't think it presents too many choices - I think it provides a quicker way in to choices that exist in multiple other places. Again - the response and conversion numbers will tell the story.

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    It all depends on what your objective is for having a webpage.

    I'm from the mindset that simple, easy read, and straight to the point is best. I get very bored sifting through company websites that are trying to convince me they at God's gift to the industry that they are specializing in. I find myself clicking all the links aimlessly and not paying much attention. Just too lazy (human nature) to actually expend mental energy to digest it all.

    Maybe I'm cynical, Maybe I've been around the block and been ripped off by too many sales people and know all the marketing/advertising bells and whistles, e.g. are mostly hollow hype, Maybe I'm looking at this from the selling side of someone not looking for customers from the masses

    All I need to know is who you are and just some basic info letting me know what you do.

    OK, here's my take on that website, It's a cold corporate looking site with no human side.

    Reminds me of all the cheap garbage vinyl replacement window salesmen back in the early 80's.

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    The best website I've seen recently is Dropbox. Clean simple, says what it does, but still engages you to learn more. Huge logo, enough white space. A great website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdrider_chgo View Post
    I have to differ. It may check all the boxes, but I find it very unappealing.

    1. It's extremely cluttered. There is information all over the place in no logical format. I count 7 different formats from top to bottom of the home page.

    2. Two separate menu bars across the top of home page, with 13 choices total- way too many.

    3. The banner/slidehow flashes to the next slide before I can read it- very irritating.

    4. The social media bar that follows you down the page is annoying.

    5. The slick stock photos look completely fake. I am certain nobody in those photos works at the company or are real customers. No human connection.
    Ditto.

    I instantly click out of sites like that every day.

    I'm not opposed to learning that sites like that are effective though. They just aren't effective on guys like me but I realize that I might be the minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    I just wrote a great post about this and then nuked it by accident, so let me do the bullet-point version of what makes this a great website. There's a couple things I'd nit-pick (the Social Media menu that follows me around - hate those)
    Yeah Joe I think the Thompson Creek site is a good one too. And I hate the social media side strips following me although they do give you a way of collapsing it. But what I really don't like about the side strips is the design. If you're going to have something follow around the user like that smaller more recognizable icons separated by some space between them along with the request a quote button situated in a catfish bar at the bottom is what I would have done.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    …but I'm betting this company is driving a lot of new business with their website.
    Driving traffic to the site how? When you say "driving traffic to the site" what do you mean? Page Rank of the home page is only a 4 which is pretty average and while the search results are probably ok do you mean TV, radio, print media etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - Smart use of their domain name. Not too long for email, easy to type - still descriptive
    As you alluded to the domain name is really easy to recall and spell...

    A website I'm working on right now was originally named HallsHomeImprovements.com and he was telling me just the other night that he found that that wasn't such a great name. It's easily mixed up and confused with HallHomeImprovements.com and HallsHomeImprovement.com so he went to ScottHallRemodeling.com a descriptive and real easy name to recall and type.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - MOBILE-SPECIFIC VERSION. Looks/works great on the iPhone, no doubt other platforms too.
    That's called "Responsive Web Design" there are some real good examples of how that looks and works here: Responsive Web Design: 50 Examples and Best Practices - DesignModo.

    I'm remodeling the Scott Hall Remodeling web site right now. Remodeling what you see there into WordPress powered website that will look like this: ScottHallRemodeling 2012.png. I'm giving you all screeshots to look at and comment on right now because I haven't yet finished the design yet. You'll notice in the screenshot it has text that says "through a top-down, proactive approach we can remain customer focused and goal-directed" which is what I use for Loren Ipsum while I'm working out the design. I'm running and testing the new design on his other domain name where I have a Placeholder theme blocking out unwanted visitors while we're still at work behind the scenes but telling them when we'll be launching and pointing them to the 'better' existing domain name: hallshomeimprovements.com.

    I'm using a slider to change the images on the SHR home screen but I have a slower lapping dissolve going on that I think is a lot more pleasant and easier on the eyes that the slider on the Thompson Creek site. Like hdrider_chgo I think Thompson Creek doesn't give me enough time to digest what I've read and seems to herby jerky to me when it changes. That's one of my pet peeves with a lot of sites.

    I'll let you all in to the under-construction new web site sometime next week once I have some content in it and get the design a little closer to a finished product and hopefully you Joe and everyone else here can critique and comment on it for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - Nice clean layout with plenty of white space
    Unlike hdrider_chgo I think the Thompson Creek makes a good use of spacing (the margin and padding values for the divs in CSS speak). I've taken a fair amount of white space out of the them framework I'm using for the new ScottHallRemodeling.com site trying to get the content I want above the fold but I think I'm still doing okay. You can see the framework I started with here: SimplePress Theme Preview

    And its tough designing black web sites too but I think it working okay for me so far with that too. I wanted to and thought it was important to keep the black of the original website design (Scott Hall Remodeling). I took a framework with tons of elegant white space and enclosed it in black granite and took out some of the vertical padding and margins.

    I thought the old logo was wimpy so I'm replacing it with a chrome logo that focuses on the brand name. You should have seen the first logo I did in an early mockup. I used a chrome effect built in my Fireworks program to quickly see how it would look but it came out looking like the name for auto body shop or a sponsors decal on a dragster rather than a bathroom fixture look. I'm still not quite done with the logo yet, it needs some shine, but you get the idea and you do really see the brand name now.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - Very consistent navigation
    I especially liked the navigation trick the Thompson Creek site has on the 'Windows & Doors' and the 'Siding & Gutters' drop downs. Way too kool! When you think about it that actually not too hard to do at all coding-wise but the masterful stroke was thinking of that idea in the first place!

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - Instant clarity about what they sell and who they are.
    - Good emotional hooks in the images
    While all the photos in the Scott Hall Remodeling site are his work I don't think there is anything wrong with using stock photos. Unfortunately a lot of contractors are just lousy photographer and they don't give you a lot to work with sometimes. The trice is finding to good stock art and the good stuff you do have to pay for. I've tried pitching professional photography to some of the contractors I know but they balk at the price of that at times and fail to recognize the value of good artwork.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - I can grab key info (like their phone number) with my mouse. Not being able to do that is a pet peeve of mine.
    That's another reason I don't like flash web sites.

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - Call to action on every page - appropriate to the content presented
    In the case of a window and siding contractor (or painting and roofing among others) I think that persistent and prominent call to action can succeed but I'm not sure it right for every they of contractor and in my Scott Hall Remodeling site I'll be putting it in the footer.

    That would be my only real issues with hdrider_chgo's site. I love the pseudo "period"look of his site for a company that focuses on vintage buildings but I wanted that phone number or email link but not seeing it as I'm reading I like to think I can hit the down or end keys and find that stuff in the footer rather than having to go back up to the top and then clicking the contact button. (I also like at least top level navigation in footers too).

    Quote Originally Posted by jstoddard View Post
    - Products clearly presented
    - Good project galleries
    - Great use of Video for testimonials
    - Obvious thought-leadership. These guys are a big company and are steering their market, instead of visa-versa
    - Current "news" feed (2012) .
    - A local editor could create a feature piece for the Sunday paper's magazine with just what's on the site. This is huge - if you're not giving your local media what they need to feature you without a lot of phone tag - you're missing the mark entirely.

    I could go on for another 100 items - but it's obvious to me this site is the real deal. Use examples like this as you plan your own WordPress (or whatever) sites.

    JLS
    That is a pretty extensive and well organized site design for a contractor. All the bells and whistles you would want in a site. Outside of the annoying social media side strips the only issue I would have is there isn't a RSS feed for the blog, or did I miss it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimAKAblue View Post
    Ditto.

    I instantly click out of sites like that every day.

    I'm not opposed to learning that sites like that are effective though. They just aren't effective on guys like me but I realize that I might be the minority.
    Ya know I played around doing some searches as if I was a potential customer in the area they serve by using town names in my searches like "rockville md siding" to see how they would show up and comparing their site to the other sites that showed up I couldn't disagree with your observation more.

    Your problem Jim is your thinking like Jim Kelly, a roofing contractor, and not like Jane Kelly a middle aged homeowner that needs to have her house re-sided. There is no way she clicks off of that site. It would be pretty obvious to her right from the get go she can get information and answers off of a site like that.

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    Yes Indeed.
    Don't make the common mistake of projecting what you like or don't like personally about the aesthetics onto what is proven to generate results. There are 1000s of builder/remodeler sites out there that are nothing more than monuments to the company owners' egos. At best - those sites are not working for those companies, and at worst may even be discouraging business or even handing it over to the competition. Most of them are extremely pretty - and wordy - and they never get down to asking for some business or facilitating sales. Everything about the builder -but nothing about the customer or their needs.

    ThompsonCreek is one of the largest replacement contractors in the DC area. They manufacture their own products. They operate in a 3-4 state area, They were #8 on the Pro Remodeling 500 list last year. Their website is an important component of that success.

    And the reason it is working for them is because the developer they used is a recognized authority on business intelligence and how people use the web to buy things. They are applying best practices that have been proven by research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerrald Hayes View Post
    That would be my only real issues with hdrider_chgo's site. I love the pseudo "period"look of his site for a company that focuses on vintage buildings but I wanted that phone number or email link but not seeing it as I'm reading I like to think I can hit the down or end keys and find that stuff in the footer rather than having to go back up to the top and then clicking the contact button.
    Interesting point, but that was a very conscious decision. The absolute LAST THING I want is people calling me. Really. I want them to email.

    Some people do find the phone number and call. Calls burn up incredible amounts of time. I seldom answer live calls, but even voice mails are a PITA. People ramble on and on, and then tend to rush through their phone number at the end. And sometimes their name or phone number is garbled. I often need to replay it a couple of times, and maybe still not get it. Then I call them back, and invariably I get voice mail. So now we're wasting even more time in phone tag.

    Plus there is no "paper" trail on calls. With email I have a complete record, nothing drops through the cracks. People tend to be much more detailed, clear, and concise in email vs. voice mail. And I can return emails in early morning or late at night, when it would not be appropriate to call.

    I'm finding that the people that turn out to be my best customers all use email rather than the phone, because they are busy people and don't have time to waste either. So it's a win-win.

    Finding my contact info is easy, it's right at the top, and the most you have to scroll is up 1/4 page and click. If you aren't motivated enough to do that, I don't want to talk to you anyway, because it will be a waste of time.

    I don't list my email for spam reasons, but when customers send a message via the contact form, they get an automatic reply with my email, so they can immediately forward photos or documents.

    I think the Thompson Creek site may be effective for a certain market, probably the Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack. I don't think it will appeal to a higher end clientele. To me it just screams cheezeball. I would never try to emulate their site, because it doesn't fit my business model. Nor would it probably fit the business model of most of the participants on JLC forums.

    And really- what evidence is there that all their success in selling plastic "replacement" windows is attributable to the web site? I suspect that a better web site would result in improved performance.

    Here's the website for the big plastic window organization in our area. Personally, I think it looks a lot better than the Thompson Creek site.

    http://www.4feldco.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdrider_chgo View Post
    The absolute LAST THING I want is people calling me. Really. I want them to email. Calls burn up incredible amounts of time. I seldom answer live calls, but even voice mails are a PITA. People ramble on and on, and then tend to rush through their phone number at the end. And sometimes their name or phone number is garbled. I often need to replay it a couple of times, and maybe still not get it. Then I call them back, and invariably I get voice mail. So now we're wasting even more time in phone tag.

    Plus there is no "paper" trail on calls. With email I have a complete record, nothing drops through the cracks. People tend to be much more detailed, clear, and concise in email vs. voice mail. And I can return emails in early morning or late at night, when it would not be appropriate to call.
    Most (95%) of my leads come via phone calls, and my clients are all CEOs, attorneys, doctors, business owners. I like phone calls because it allows me to get the information I want and to ask key, specific questions.

    I think the Thompson Creek site may be effective for a certain market, probably the Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack. I don't think it will appeal to a higher end clientele. To me it just screams cheezeball. I would never try to emulate their site, because it doesn't fit my business model. Nor would it probably fit the business model of most of the participants on JLC forums.

    Here's the website for the big plastic window organization in our area. Personally, I think it looks a lot better than the Thompson Creek site.

    http://www.4feldco.com/
    HD, I am going to disagree that the website you linked to is better that the ThompsonCreek site. And really who cares if a site “looks better”, what really matters is it generating leads for the company, and I suspect it is. I bet their website is a large source of their leads and business.

    The only problem I have with the ThompsonCreek site is the social media button location on the left side.

    I think Joe made an excellent point about websites in general:

    Don't make the common mistake of projecting what you like or don't like personally about the aesthetics onto what is proven to generate results. There are 1000s of builder/remodeler sites out there that are nothing more than monuments to the company owners' egos. At best - those sites are not working for those companies, and at worst may even be discouraging business or even handing it over to the competition. Most of them are extremely pretty - and wordy - and they never get down to asking for some business or facilitating sales. Everything about the builder -but nothing about the customer or their needs.



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    I see three basic categories for the purposes of business websites.

    1. Provide basic information and contact information. Just another avenue for people to contact you by doing a direct search via search engines.

    2. Mass marketing to anyone and everyone and you're set up to sift through all the BS

    3. Information and specifications for products

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