ridiculous new safety bull****

[glass1]

listen to npr congress is considering making the sawstop system mandatory ! One can go out and buy a gun and shoot themselves in the head but a table saw is too dangerous. Well, I am tired of government trying to protect us from ourselves and I am leftist political nut. Stuff like this could change my politics. What is stopping someone from lighting a match while filling up gas or just driving their car and mowing down pedestrians.

[Lavrans]

listen to npr congress is considering making the sawstop system mandatory ! One can go out and buy a gun and shoot themselves in the head but a table saw is too dangerous. Well, I am tired of government trying to protect us from ourselves and I am leftist political nut. Stuff like this could change my politics. What is stopping someone from lighting a match while filling up gas or just driving their car and mowing down pedestrians.

I think we already went over that thread.

General consensus was that it's stupid to try to legislate that.
At the same time, the saw companies are stupid to have been ignoring safety.
But, in the end, it's stupid, bad legislation.

[always-learning]

don't worry about it...


CL will always have hundreds of black market illegal to use tablesaws.... You can pick them up along with a couple bottles of moonshine, and a hooker or two.


Heck, while you're at it, get some crack while you're there.



:-)

[Hoover]

listen to npr congress is considering making the sawstop system mandatory ! One can go out and buy a gun and shoot themselves in the head but a table saw is too dangerous. Well, I am tired of government trying to protect us from ourselves and I am leftist political nut. Stuff like this could change my politics. What is stopping someone from lighting a match while filling up gas or just driving their car and mowing down pedestrians.

I'd need more info on "congress is considering". Is the bill filed by a single congressman, is it in committee being marked up, etc. Charlie Rangel the D from Harlem files a bill every congress (he's been there since the 60's) to reinstate the military draft. It never gets any attention is is forgotten about in minutes. So it really depends on who the sponsors of the bill are and the general support for the bill. With the make up of congress now, I would doubt something like that going anywhere. They have much bigger things to worry about too.

[Dancing Dan]

And watch your language.

[glass1]

I do not smoke crack but if I did why shouldn't I be allowed to. Plenty of folks on zoloft paxil, etc,,, I love watching language

[dgbldr]

What is stopping someone from lighting a match while filling up gas or just driving their car and mowing down pedestrians.

Nothing. Go ahead.

[Kent Brobeck]

I think we already went over that thread.

General consensus was that it's stupid to try to legislate that.
At the same time, the saw companies are stupid to have been ignoring safety.
But, in the end, it's stupid, bad legislation.

I agree with you Lavs. The sawstop is a great innovation and if I buy a new cabinet saw I'd buy one. But that's my choice and we should be allowed to choose what we want. If congress would mandate the sawstop technology table saws would be so expensive no one would buy new ones except for the sawstop brand. Politicians should focus on the stuff they're suppose to worry about and leave us alone.

[S.Joisey]

The insurance industry is a big force behind the push for mandating sawstop technology. You can see why.

Democracy in action- various interests pushing for their advantage.

[JayNos]

listen to npr congress is considering making the sawstop system mandatory ! One can go out and buy a gun and shoot themselves in the head but a table saw is too dangerous.

That's because the NRA is the not the NRTSA (National Rifle and Table Saw Association)...now that's a sport I'd watch on ESPN.

[Hoover]

The insurance industry is a big force behind the push for mandating sawstop technology. You can see why.

Democracy in action- various interests pushing for their advantage.

That's why the country needs major tort reform across all industries. People should not be allowed to sue because of their actions. A butter knife is dangerous in some circumstances for gosh sakes. People shouldn't be suing knife companies because they were injured buttering their toast.

These lawsuits increase the costs for everything and everyone. We all pay higher insurance costs, we all pay higher product prices and we all do not get to use some products because they are never manufactured because of the potential lawsuits.

[philthegreek]

I agree with you Lavs. The sawstop is a great innovation and if I buy a new cabinet saw I'd buy one. But that's my choice and we should be allowed to choose what we want. If congress would mandate the sawstop technology table saws would be so expensive no one would buy new ones except for the sawstop brand. Politicians should focus on the stuff they're suppose to worry about and leave us alone.

Actually, if sawstop technology was mandated, ALL the other saws would be about the same price as sawstop within short order, or they would just be out of business. Then once the players are established, it would be a race to the bottom as for as pricing goes because they would be fighting over market share and the prices would eventually come down. The gubment can't dictate a specific brand of saw, just that it be equipped with a flesh sensing immediate braking mechanism. Then the Chinese would get involved and we'd be looking at prices about where they are today.

That's how the market works, or at least that's what everyone keeps telling me, lol. ;-)

Phil

[philthegreek]

BTW, I agree that it should not be legislated. Although I do think that those using it should get brownie points from OSHA, or insurance breaks.

Phil

[Hoover]

Actually, if sawstop technology was mandated, ALL the other saws would be about the same price as sawstop within short order, or they would just be out of business. Then once the players are established, it would be a race to the bottom as for as pricing goes because they would be fighting over market share and the prices would eventually come down. The gubment can't dictate a specific brand of saw, just that it be equipped with a flesh sensing immediate braking mechanism. Then the Chinese would get involved and we'd be looking at prices about where they are today.

That's how the market works, or at least that's what everyone keeps telling me, lol. ;-)

Phil

The one pushing for the mandate among others is the inventor of the saw stop tech. He's not going to give that away. I agree costs would come down from the sawstop levels but they would not be at the levels they are now. That tech or a similar tech costs money and they cannot eat it and have the prices at these levels of today.

There is a pretty easy solution though. Keep your fingers away from the blade. People need to be responsible for their poor decisions.

[kfc510]

I'll re-iterate my slightly more nuanced view from the other thread.

In my opinion, the government certainly does have the right and obligation to mandate certain safety mechanisms. Seat belts, kids' car seats, harnesses for roofers, etc.

My objection to the sawstop mandate is not some knee-jerk blanket resistance to gummit regulation, it's a question of cost/benefit (and the obfuscation of the real cost); and the practicality of the tool (especially the weight).

kevin