RRP Procedure question

**always-learning** · 04-14-2010, 04:13 PM

Do you guys have any Idea on how to comply with RRP, while changing one window above another roofline?

I have a prospective client who would like one window replaced. It's the only one that hasn't been done, for whatever reason, I don't know.

The window is above a garage roofline where it would be extremely impractical to install plastic sheeting. I'm sure if I followed the rule, I would wind up in the hospital relatively quickly with a few broken bones, or even death, as I attempted to cross the plastic sheeting to get to the side of the house.

Any thoughts on how to set up a window replacement, while still being compliant? Other than setting up the plastic, and then creating some kind of scaffolding above it, I really have no answer here. I don't have a pik that's long enough to extend past the required 10' past the window replacement edge.

I'd like to work up a bid, since it's such a small job, but have some reservations on how I could set up the job properly. Without wasting too much time on this, considering I'm destined to not get the bid, I figured I'd ask what your thoughts were. Good chance to do something for nothing, but I'd give it the old college hoorah !

I guess this could also be applied to any other high window replacement, say over landscaping bushes as well. It's the increased risk of plastic on roof that has me mentally unable to think straight. Yeah, what else is new?

**Lavrans** · 04-14-2010, 04:46 PM

On the boats we'd use PVC pipe to create quick catch structures that we could attach plastic to. Cheap, pretty easy to set up, strong enough to deal with mild wind conditions.

Don't glue the fittings and they can be taken apart and re-used pretty easily.

Seems like you could set up a "box" of some sort that could even fit around the top of a ladder- make a quick frame, attach to building, then attach plastic.

**S.Joisey** · 04-14-2010, 05:30 PM

I should read the whole post before I mis-respond to it.

I have something similar coming up, but different. I'll post about it later.

**Greg Di** · 04-14-2010, 05:52 PM

Ugh, I feel bad for you, Chuck.

This is the type of stuff that will make life miserable.

**Lavrans** · 04-14-2010, 06:07 PM

It's really not going to be that bad. I remember when they added all the rules about lead paint on boats- those are always outside, are often large and always more awkward than a house. You figure out a few tricks for little things like that.

**Randy Bush** · 04-14-2010, 06:22 PM

This is something I am sure I will be running to too seeing how I do window replacement. But in giving it some thought I think making the frame work out of pvc pipe to caught the majority of the wood chips and dust is the main thing. And the main thing with plastic on the ground is to caught enough that you are not on the ground picking up every little piece. Like that real not going happen. but you will have the roof which can be vacuumed up as needed. Because no way am I going to put plastic on a roof and then walk on it.That would be just plain dumb and crazy.

I am also trying to figure out just how to saw and replace fascia boards and follow all these rules?

Randy

**DonMirabito** · 04-14-2010, 06:25 PM

Chuck,
You know this is kind of interesting as I'm sure there will be MANY more situations that seem to be UNSAFE to do within the new rules. This situation being somewhat UNSAFE brings to mind something my instructor mentioned, but I can't find a reference to it in the ruling at the moment. He said that in every situation the contractor must make decisions about the safety specifics of a job and do the best he can. This all came up because it was discussed about how the rule indicated you needed to put plastic down on the floor and then wearing your PPE booties it could become a skating rink which would violate OSHA rules - so what should someone do? Which rules to break, etc.?

Maybe given the specific circumstances in your case the "best" you can do is simply get in replace the damn window, get out, collect your money and be gone... Of course YMMV...

Don

**always-learning** · 04-14-2010, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by DonMirabito

Maybe given the specific circumstances in your case the "best" you can do is simply get in replace the damn window, get out, collect your money and be gone... Of course YMMV...

Don

Don't know how to address it, although I may just become one of those guys with the telephoto lens, taking photos of the guys who get the job.... and emailing them to the EPA. Maybe I could make a few dollars from their "incentive program", and a few more enemies, while taking down my competition. Gonna have to learn how to see out the back of my head. Now that's more along the lines of doing something productive.

;-)

**m beezo** · 04-14-2010, 10:37 PM

Arent you supposed to wear a tether and harness when on the roof? Put that on and you will not slip. Or if you do then the harness will stop you before you hit the ground.

Any way to put up two ladders and a longer walk board to walk over the top of the plastic?

**always-learning** · 04-14-2010, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by m beezo

Arent you supposed to wear a tether and harness when on the roof? Put that on and you will not slip. Or if you do then the harness will stop you before you hit the ground.

Any way to put up two ladders and a longer walk board to walk over the top of the plastic?

Who wears those ? Not me. Me Tonga. Me strong and bull headed ! Me look silly in suspenders and rope attached at ass. ;-)

Longer pik ? What now? Another moderate expense? Geesh ! When does it end ?

**Gough50** · 04-15-2010, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by DonMirabito

Chuck,
You know this is kind of interesting as I'm sure there will be MANY more situations that seem to be UNSAFE to do within the new rules. This situation being somewhat UNSAFE brings to mind something my instructor mentioned, but I can't find a reference to it in the ruling at the moment. He said that in every situation the contractor must make decisions about the safety specifics of a job and do the best he can. This all came up because it was discussed about how the rule indicated you needed to put plastic down on the floor and then wearing your PPE booties it could become a skating rink which would violate OSHA rules - so what should someone do? Which rules to break, etc.?

Maybe given the specific circumstances in your case the "best" you can do is simply get in replace the damn window, get out, collect your money and be gone... Of course YMMV...

Don

We've been dealing with the LBP regs from OSHA for years and we've come up with some ways to deal with a lot of these issues. First, forget about the Tyvek booties, nothing says you need that for PPE. We use slip-on overshoes, AKA rubbers, to protect our street footwear. That helps eliminate the slippage. We often set up tubular scaffold and tent it off to help contain the LBP debris. For non-slip protection on roofs, we use the sticky plastic floor protection film, rather than regular visqueen.

**Dick Seibert** · 04-15-2010, 12:37 AM

Beezo:

I've been wondering about that, from what I've seen from pictures posted guys here in most states totally ignore Federal OSHA requirements, yet have their collective panties all in a bunch over Federal EPA requirements. Of course OSHA is worker safety, the EPA is the ****ing environment!

**always-learning** · 04-15-2010, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Dick Seibert

Beezo:

I've been wondering about that, from what I've seen from pictures posted guys here in most states totally ignore Federal OSHA requirements, yet have their collective panties all in a bunch over Federal EPA requirements. Of course OSHA is worker safety, the EPA is the ****ing environment!

Duck,

Do you know what the fines are for worker OSHA Safety violations ?

I don't. Why not ? Because I've never seen an OSHA safety inspector, in the last 25 years of being in residential construction, or remodeling. No one that I know has ever, even after a several workers were hurt on the job, over the period of a couple of years, back when I worked for a McMansion builder. We all said that "OSHA was coming", but they never did.... Not to say that they dont, but it's more probable on a commercial job, than not.

Maybe the fact that the fines are an issue ? No?Not everyone that I know would recover from an initial fine of $35K or more. Most of the artisan contractors, I deal with, would be claiming bankruptcy or closing shop and having to create a new form of income. I think that is what's driving this apprehensiveness, beyond the "teeth" that allows for more lawsuits.

I can send you a pair of my panties, if you wish. Maybe we could trade Depends when I get a little older....

;-)

**S. Donato** · 04-15-2010, 07:08 AM

just a thought but have you tested the window for lead? i just saying if it is not positive then document it and move forward as business like usually no new equipment to buy.

or am i totally missing something?

**always-learning** · 04-15-2010, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by S. Donato

just a thought but have you tested the window for lead? i just saying if it is not positive then document it and move forward as business like usually no new equipment to buy.

or am i totally missing something?

According to the law, I'm not allowed to test until I have my certification processed. As of yesterday, it still wasn't so, I'm just preparing myself for "how to". Original idea was to get input on "sticky work situations" and how to address them with the new regs. Hopefully, I'll find my name on the EPA site soon.

Time to give them a call again.

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