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    Default grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Hi, Eric from over at the Finish Carpentry forum. Had a question on how to install grab bar for client through tile shower wall when stud finder can't find studs through tile? Also does anyone have links to website that explains everything that must be done for grab bars to be done to code? Thanks, Eric

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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Eric,

    Moen Secure Mounts with Moen grab bars. Only way to go!!!!!!

    http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/s...n+Secure+Mount

    http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/s...ight=grab+bars

    You will need an 1 1/4" hole saw, preferably diamond.

    Tom
    Last edited by tjbnwi; 03-04-2010 at 06:29 PM. Reason: 1 1/4" not 1 3/8"
    http://chicagocraftsmen.org/2011/06/261.html

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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Tj, dont have time to read all that now but looks really promising from what I skimmed through, thanks a lot, eric

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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Ditto, just did that, the mounts are about $25 per pair (one bar), they are easy to install and quite solid. I have a water-feed grinder and bought a 1-1/4" diamond core bit for it, made the drilling incredibly easy.

    Of course, nothing ever goes according to plan. First hole I drilled, found a piece of blocking attached inside the wall obscuring half of my hole, so the mount wouldn't fit at all. I was able to get 2 of the supplied screws into the block, so that end worked out OK. Other end, found a flat stud inside the wall on the other side, not in the way of the mount itself but in the way of the little plastic gizmo that you use to get the inner piece into place. I had to work it into place using needlenose pliers, and hope that I didn't drop it into the wall cavity. Worked out OK... fun time guaranteed. The other bar I installed went a lot easier, just like the instructions promised.
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    Eric,

    I'll save you some time.

    The mounts are available at Lowes in my area, here is the list of Lowes store in your area (you most likely know this already);

    http://stores.lowes.com/lowes/cgi/se...glastonbury+ct.

    According to the internet inventory, they have them at the Manchester store (for some reason you have to copy and paste this one, it does work);

    http://www.lowes.com/pd_127440-1471-SMA1000CH_0_?productId=1214153&Ntt=moen&Ntk=i_prod ucts&pl=1&currentURL=/pl__0__s?Ntk=i_products$rpp=60$No=660$Ntt=moen

    I have used them many times, again the only way to go.

    Tom
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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Ditto. They work great.

    Hole saw is where it's going to hurt.$$$ wise, but worth it.
    Chuck

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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    scuttl,

    If you are trying to direct us to 4.26.3 (structural strength) according to Moen's web site they exceed ADA, ASTM, ANSI and CSA requirements.

    http://csi.moen.com/catalog/collection.cfm?type=anchors

    Tom
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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Thanks all, Tom, all you have to do now is install it for me, just kidding.

    I was looking at getting a Lenox Diamond Hole Saw 1 1/4. Anyone know how many holes I might get out of that. If its a one and done scene Im charging the client but if I could do more I would just bite it. Also, I have a Festool C12, Dewalt cordless hammer drill, and corded Dewalt drill. Any ideas on which one would work best for drilling through tile. Thanks Eric

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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Don't know how much those Lenox saws cost, or how good they are, but its useful life is going to depend on what you drill, and whether you use water to cool it. Soft-body tile is one thing, granite is another. You don't need a lot of power to drill, slow and steady RPMs with a helper squirting water on the wall is good. I like using a variable speed angle grinder because the body makes it easy to control torque, especially when you're starting the cut with one edge of the saw in contact with the wall and trying to spin out on you. The hole saw I bought was ~$40.
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    eric,

    Like the one David has none of my diamond hole saws have pilot bits. As he stated its life depends on the tile and you.

    Instead of me fighting the bit to start, I use a standard hole saw to make a template out of wood. I just drill the 1 1/4" hole, and apply (the plate not the slug) it to the tile where I want the hole, I used 3M two sided mounting tape to hold it in place. Take plumbers putty and form a troff to hold water, drill at a low speed, steady pressure. Add water as needed. Another trick I use for water is to pack the hole saw with ice, this may be enough water, depends on how long the holes take. You could of course repack the saw. When done with one hole remove the template affix at the next location, repeat process. Depending on the number of holes you may need to fab more than one template.

    I would not use a hammer drill with a diamond bit, other than that, what ever you are most comfortable with.

    Tom
    Last edited by tjbnwi; 03-05-2010 at 06:00 PM. Reason: added line
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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Good tip about the double sided tape. I have found it manageable to rock the hole saw into position at very low RPM and then increase speed once the entire thing is buried a little ways. Also a good tip about putting ice in the saw.
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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    Thanks to all for helping me out on this one. The Moen Secure Mounts worked perfectly and the directions were really easy to follow. I ended up buying a Lenox Diamond Tipped Hole Saw for $41.50 and was able to use the arbor from my wood hole saw set. It definitely can be used more times. The wooden template idea with double sided tape also worked as advertised. Thanks Eric

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    Default Re: grab bar through tile wall, no studs

    a rare earth magnet can be helpful in finding the fasteners in the wall board. of course with the brackets yall are talking about placement can be almost unlimited.
    Jeremy
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