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  • B17 Crash

    Lost the vintage WWII era "Liberty Belle" just west of Chicago today.

    Some amazing photos here...http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...7.photogallery
    Greg

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    Those pics are painful to look at.

    -Norm

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      sad to see that. But lucky that they guys got out when you see how complete the damage was.

      Guess no more tour unless they plan on a several year rebuild of what is left and finisih it then.

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        That's terrible !
        I flew on this in 04.
        http://www.teterboro-online.com/news...04/show4.shtml
        Was last guy on so they "had" put me in navigators seat, below pilot in nose. What a ride, buzzed Giants Stadium, the Empire State building and flew up the Hudson.
        Got an even better appreciation of what flyers had to contend with in WW II in comparison to the USAF jets I worked on in the 70's.
        SteveC
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          They'll likely rebuild it...
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            What is there left to rebuild, the consumption was pretty complete.

            Phil
            It's better to try and fail, than fail to try.

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              The engines looked like the are all there. The sheetmetal is pretty easy to reproduce. Historic plane people are kind of strange, usually retired with not much to do but spend infinite time rebuilding impossible projects. Hope they do rebuild (remanufacture) it.
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                If they rebuild - hope they have a bigger basement than the one linked to in Chicago. :)

                Knowing what I know about plane crashes - nothing on that plane is salvageable between the impact and fire... IMO the FAA would rightfully not certify a plane rebuild from that mess..
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                  Dave, technically it didn't crash, it landed fine albeit on fire but I gotcha drift. ;-)

                  Phil
                  It's better to try and fail, than fail to try.

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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by davenorthup View Post
                    Knowing what I know about plane crashes ...
                    Fortunately, nobody is asking you..... ;-)

                    Here is what they are saying:

                    "Useful parts, will be salvaged from the wreckage... They will be used to restore the Liberty Belle. The Warbird Squadron 4 had a conference the other day, and stated that the intention was to return her to flight status."

                    "They don't keep spare B-17's parked and waiting for engines. These planes are usually restored from remnants of crashed airframes recovered from lakes, swamps, under glaciers and other remorte and inaccessible places. The effort requires millions of dollars, years of recovery, salvage and restoration by individuals dedicated to their preservation."
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                      Even sadder than I thought, looks like they could have saved her if the fire equipment wasn't "hindered" by soggy ground.
                      http://www.libertyfoundation.org/index.html

                      My dad was in the AF during Korea and was able to fly in one while stationed in Texas. Every time an air show came to town we were there, he loved showing me the B-17. Pretty amazing aircraft in terms of toughness and durability.

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                        Turns out the Liberty Belle is not the original Liberty Belle. It is another airframe that was rebuilt as the Liberty Belle. It was badly damaged when a tornado tossed another plane onto it but was subsequently restored.

                        There are a total of 51 surviving airframes worldwide:

                        10 active flying
                        9 on static display
                        2 currently undergoing restoration to fly
                        3 currently undergoing restoration for display
                        5 in storage
                        19 partial airframes/hulks

                        A restoration costs about $3 million. An engine rebuild, about $50,000.
                        Last edited by BeachBoy; 06-17-2011, 02:55 AM.
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