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    I'm curious to know what others are paying for cultured stone materials as well as what labor rates are running. We are getting ready to do a large job and are bidding out the cultured stone work. We have a quote of $7/sq ft for Cultured Stone Country Ledgestone Caramel. We have a quote right now of $10/sq ft to install it.

    Thanks,
    Brian
    Brian Rowe
    Russell Construction Group, Inc.

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    I haven't a clue.

    And

    I would think you would know by now that this is a "how long is a piece of string" question.

    Where in the universe are you?

    Wow!!!

    Maybe a profile or something!!

    Bill R
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    • #3
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      Wow...what a nice friendly constructive reply. Did you actually read my question before replying? What is this "I would think you would know by now" crap? I don't care if you are labeled as a "moderator", that is no way to reply to someone. If you can't answer someone's question with information pertaining to the question, maybe you shouldn't answer at all. This is the exact reason new members do not ask a lot of questions because people like you reply like this. I think you need to head over to the Computer Solutions area and learn something from Joe.

      And for the record, I have entered profile information before. It isn't my fault that it isn't there now.

      For the others who might be interested in helping, we are in north Florida. The labor rates we are being quoted for setting stone do not change between 200 sq ft and 2000 sq ft.
      Brian Rowe
      Russell Construction Group, Inc.

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        Because you have to lath and mud a wall (or you should) to install cultured stone, I don't think it's much less than laying real stone. I pay about $6-$8/ft.
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          I agree with Bill that asking prices on a national forum is a little useless given different economies, techniques, labor forces, etc. I even see extremes locally based on type of homes, size of jobs, etc.
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            You still haven't filled in your profile.

            How much are you paying for a 2x4?
            How does that help me?

            My apologies for being insensitive and not understanding the reason behind your question.

            If you would please take a moment, setting aside my rudeness, and help me to understand how you will benefit from asking and getting a civil answer to your question.

            I am hoping that your explanation will help me and others in the future to avoid my lack of civility.

            Humbly
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            • #7
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              Brian,

              You need to give more info such as:

              Residential? Commercial? New construction or repair/remodel?

              Mike
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              • #8
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                To clear up any ambiguity:

                1. Residential (I guess I'll update my profile to indicate any question I ask from here on out is only related to residential construction).

                2. New construction (We only do new construction so another item for my profile).

                3. We've been told the SIZE of the job does NOT make a difference in price of LABOR but I would imagine it would with materials. I specifically speaking of the labor charges for installation of cultured stone. Other trades do give us discounts based on size of job.

                Here's my reason for asking. I go back to how I originally phrased my question...I am curious to know what others are paying around the country. I'm curious to know for many reasons. I'm curious to know because from everything I have heard from different folks who sell it (both at trade shows as well as a friend of my in a local brickyard), it is not as difficult to install as many local installers are leading people to believe. It is almost like the phrase "cultured stone" is driving the price up higher than other forms of masonry work.

                I realize numerous variables are different around the country but even so, I think I asked a valid question. It was merely a question for comparison purposes. Kinda like when people talk to someone across the country when they usually ask "what's the temperature there" or "how much are you paying for gas".

                As far as the price of actual stone goes, if we can wait "weeks", we can get the stone for $7/sq ft. If we need it in "days", we can get for $8/sq ft. Since there are occasions where I need to ship it in, I'd like to know if there are any "discount" stone suppliers that might offer discounted shipping. The specific stone we are looking at is the Owens Corning Country Ledgestone Caramel Cultured Stone.

                Thanks,
                Brian

                p.s. I'll get my profile updated again.
                Brian Rowe
                Russell Construction Group, Inc.

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                  Brian,

                  I haven't used the country ledgestone so I can't comment on the price. I would recommend going to their website and do a dealer search in your area. Call them and get pricing. Here in the Chicagoland & NW Indiana pricing on the same item will vary depending on the distributor/dealer.

                  There are so many variables that do affect labor costs. Good to hear that you have someone that will install it for the same price per square foot no matter what the size of the job.

                  I am not aware of the phrase "cultured stone" driving up the price than other forms of masonry. Real stone will cost more to install than manufactured stone. "Cultured Stone" is brand name. There are other manufacturers out there that do make a good manufactued stone product. Like all things, prices do vary.

                  Mike
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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Brickie
                    Brian,

                    I haven't used the country ledgestone so I can't comment on the price. I would recommend going to their website and do a dealer search in your area. Call them and get pricing. Here in the Chicagoland & NW Indiana pricing on the same item will vary depending on the distributor/dealer.

                    There are so many variables that do affect labor costs. Good to hear that you have someone that will install it for the same price per square foot no matter what the size of the job.

                    I am not aware of the phrase "cultured stone" driving up the price than other forms of masonry. Real stone will cost more to install than manufactured stone. "Cultured Stone" is brand name. There are other manufacturers out there that do make a good manufactued stone product. Like all things, prices do vary.

                    Mike
                    Mike...thanks for replying. Right or wrong, subs around here consider all stone veneer as "cultured stone". Sort of like "Kleenex". It could be Owens Corning, Eldorado, Coronado or anything else. It is my understanding that the Corning product is the easiest to install but I'm not sure if that is correct or not.
                    Brian Rowe
                    Russell Construction Group, Inc.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by rcginc
                      Mike...thanks for replying. Right or wrong, subs around here consider all stone veneer as "cultured stone". Sort of like "Kleenex". It could be Owens Corning, Eldorado, Coronado or anything else. It is my understanding that the Corning product is the easiest to install but I'm not sure if that is correct or not.

                      Brian,

                      After reading your last post it definitely sounds like it to me that the subs in your area are feeding you, as well as others in your area, a bunch of crap.

                      Mike
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                        I have found cultured stone (or imitation stone) almost as expensive as real stone. Especially when you have to lath and scratch coat for it. I also think you should always provide a "brick ledge" for it, at least 1-1/2".

                        The advantage over real stone is availabilty, weight, and the fact that you can choose a color/blend from a catalogue and know that the finish product will be exactly what's shown. You can't say that with real stone. And there are just tons (excuse the pun) of choices.

                        Having said that, I think imitation stone only works up to a certain price point, above that people expect real stone. I have a large house I'm starting (12,000 sq ft) that is stone, it would be suicide to use imitation stone.
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                          And with lathing and scratching it I think it needs two layers of moisture barrier just like stucco. Most of the instructions for installation I have read called for 3.4 lath not 2.5
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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Allan Edwards
                            I have found cultured stone (or imitation stone) almost as expensive as real stone. Especially when you have to lath and scratch coat for it. I also think you should always provide a "brick ledge" for it, at least 1-1/2".

                            The advantage over real stone is availabilty, weight, and the fact that you can choose a color/blend from a catalogue and know that the finish product will be exactly what's shown. You can't say that with real stone. And there are just tons (excuse the pun) of choices.

                            Having said that, I think imitation stone only works up to a certain price point, above that people expect real stone. I have a large house I'm starting (12,000 sq ft) that is stone, it would be suicide to use imitation stone.
                            Allan...around here, more and more customers are starting to want the "faux" stone after watching HGTV, DIY, and shows like that. Most of the homes here are below 3500. I'd say less than 5% of the homes built in 2005 were between 4000 and 10000 sq ft.

                            With that said, the project I'm currently working on is a craftsman style with a stone veneer around the perimeter about 4' high and then hardie board above that. The stone is then being used on the inside around the gas fireplace, a few columns in the great room and the hood in the kitchen to tie it all together.

                            Brian
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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by Allan Edwards
                              I have found cultured stone (or imitation stone) almost as expensive as real stone. Especially when you have to lath and scratch coat for it. I also think you should always provide a "brick ledge" for it, at least 1-1/2".

                              The advantage over real stone is availabilty, weight, and the fact that you can choose a color/blend from a catalogue and know that the finish product will be exactly what's shown. You can't say that with real stone. And there are just tons (excuse the pun) of choices.

                              Having said that, I think imitation stone only works up to a certain price point, above that people expect real stone. I have a large house I'm starting (12,000 sq ft) that is stone, it would be suicide to use imitation stone.


                              Allen,


                              There are companies out there that sell NTV-Natural Thin Veneer. It's real stone. You apply it just like the imitation stone.

                              Mike
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