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    I got a job coming up, and want to know should I use the heat gun and scrap off the wall paper and then skim it out, or scrap it out only where its pealing out, and skim coat the entire wall, then prime/paint?

    Looking to achieve the a good look, but the fastest solution possible. Its only walls, no ceilings.

  • #2
    Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

    rip out walls and replace with new. that is probably your quickest and easiest way to do it.
    Brad

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    • #3
      Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

      Depends on wallpaper. If it's a good, more recent wallpaper job, the wallpaper may come off cleanly and quickly with no damage to wall.

      Older wallpaper can be very labor-intensive. Last bathroom we did (about 10x13, high ceiling) took over 15 hours to peel the wallpaper with a steam machine.

      I would not skim and paint over wallpaper under any circumstances. If you absolutely must, I would use the wall repair fabric over the entire wall, but I doubt it's any cheaper or faster.

      DG

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      • #4
        Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

        Originally posted by dgbldr View Post
        I would not skim and paint over wallpaper under any circumstances. If you absolutely must, I would use the wall repair fabric over the entire wall, but I doubt it's any cheaper or faster. DG
        Agreed. Try this, it works great:

        http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=20
        Richie Poor

        See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, value engineer your unit prices.

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        • #5
          Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

          Ditto, ditto, ditto.

          Skimming over wallpaper is just a complicated way of removing the remaining wallpaper: half of it will lift when you skim (moisture in the compound), then you're back to removing it with the added mess of your first coat of compound. Nasty.

          Rent a steamer, use the scoring tool if needed, just get it all off before you skim. And make sure to wash & rinse the wall before you skim, get any residual wallpaper glue off before you skim, too.
          Francois


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          • #6
            Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

            Joe-

            Rip out and re-rock! Here is your oppertunity to sell a Dens Armor Plus upgrade, and I bet it would be quicker than fiddle frigging with the wall paper.
            "cheap labor pays for expensive headaches"

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            • #7
              Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

              Mike,

              That's true...sometimes. You can't rip out the rock most of the time. There are vanities, lighting, tile baseboard, various door/window/other trim, etc. that would need to be removed and replaced. Except when gutting the room in the first place, I have never seen a bathroom where you could do that faster or cheaper than removing the wallpaper, no matter how tedious the wallpaper was.

              DG

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              • #8
                Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                Originally posted by dgbldr View Post
                Mike,

                That's true...sometimes. You can't rip out the rock most of the time. There are vanities, lighting, tile baseboard, various door/window/other trim, etc. that would need to be removed and replaced. Except when gutting the room in the first place, I have never seen a bathroom where you could do that faster or cheaper than removing the wallpaper, no matter how tedious the wallpaper was.

                DG
                Thats why I posted this, they don't want to do that. I got a heatgun, and I believe it will soften it up, and make it come out easily. We'll see!

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                • #9
                  Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                  Joe,

                  Try a small area first. I've never seen wallpaper come out with a heat gun, but I've never tried it either.

                  There are only 2 methods I know: steam and chemicals.

                  Let us know how you make out with the heat gun.

                  DG

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                  • #10
                    Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                    It depends on the wallpaper and the glue used as well as if the walls have any primer or paint on the drywall. Foil faced wallpapler is just about like trying to get aluminum foil to let moisture pass. It must be scored to do any good. Sometimes you can get the top layer to lift off and then you are left with the backing and the glue. This is often the case of just about any paper. It is almost always a 2 layer paper. The glue is a different story. They old days they used to use a wheat based glue which is yellow, very stubborn to remove. It is like the old flour and water paste that you used to make in grade school and once it gets wet it just gets gummy and nasty. Once it is wet it can often be scraped off with a 4 or 6 inch knife.

                    If the walls are not primed or painted or prepped at all you can get a lot of drywall paper damage. So you want to try the methods you choose carefully until you have at least something of an idea of what is under it. If they are primed, painted or prepped right drywall damage will be minimal if you take your time, let the chemicals or steamer do the work.

                    I have never heard of using a heat gun if you are meaning a heat gun that blows out 800 degree dry heat. I would worry about catching a tag of the paper on fire and you would be doing a fire damage job.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                      Ok get ready to laugh but one day watching the DIY Network.... they had a segment on wall-paper removal and had this http://www.wallwikcompany.com/index.asp on the show, looked pretty cool. I'd try it if I needed it.
                      "cheap labor pays for expensive headaches"

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                      • #12
                        Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                        That's one of the many chemicals mentioned by me and m beezo. I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work.

                        DG

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                        • #13
                          Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                          what about a 2 thick coats of 45, and then a skim

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                          • #14
                            Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                            Joe
                            Sherwin Williams has a product called Drywall Conditioner ( not Loxon)

                            I tested it once on patches where a wall mirror was removed where you get the brown paper that peels and bubbles no matter what you do to it. I left the paper on a few of the patches real loose and rolled it on.
                            I was amazed that it sealed it so I could skim with no bubbles.
                            I've tried that with kilz and other paints but it never worked before

                            Supposedly that is what the product is designed for.
                            I don't know if it will work for your application but maybe some of you guys have tried it before

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                            • #15
                              Re: Fastest way to remodel paper walls in a bathroom

                              What kind of paper?

                              I'd never leave a paper on and skim over - especially in a bath - subject to steam and such. The score and chemicals works best and it is a two step process deal as described. I recently removed approx 2000 FT SQ of paper and it was a pain, but much quicker than re-rocking. Get a 4" scraper with replaceable blades, works much better than a putty knife.

                              The obvious is all paper removal is T&M. A small bath that is gutted is often faster to re-rock than remove stubborn paper.

                              Here is a grass cloth that peeled nicely, the adhesive was very quick with chemicals. If the rock was properly primed before paper - the removal is painless, if not properly primed you are facing a long frustrating day.
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