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Steve
01-27-2004, 05:41 PM
Anyone come up with a way to only two coat screws in the field?

Wes
01-27-2004, 06:29 PM
I can one coat them for you... but you'll be sanding for awhile.

C.C
01-27-2004, 07:01 PM
You can 2 coat screws if you use a lite joint compond(Goldbond Lite or Ultra Lite or USG Plus3) and use it strait out of the box.I don't think it is worth the chance on a custom home because that 3rd coat only takes alittle time to do but I've done it in the past on apartments where we only had only a few days to finish .Even with the Lite compond you might still get a screw that was set deep to show up here and there.....

Steve
01-28-2004, 07:53 AM
Wes,

Great idea then I can use the power sander!

CC,

I was thinking of a setting compound first and then the lite mud..I just don't see why that little hole needs so much work.

Rick A
02-01-2004, 09:35 PM
I've tried this dozens of times with various *hot mud*(s). There are a few problems with the hot mud approach.
1. you always seem to get a bunch of screws with pimples on them that need scraping - a big slow down you don't see with properly run screws.
2. You really need to run each screw individually in lieu of one stroke for the field - so you have twice the motion - therefore it takes alot longer to coat them (vrs regular mud).

If I have a small job that I need to get 2 coats on - I'll use hot mud on the first coat.

A non shrinking mud has been wished for - probably since drywall replaced lath and plaster. Maybe we should ask that some of that mars research money go to better mud development.

I haven't had much luck with *non thinned mud*. You reach the point of diminishing returns - you still have shrinkage - and a little water really cuts down the friction and lets you run the field in two motions.

Steve
02-04-2004, 06:34 PM
Rick,

Your on the mark! The mound that forms when using a setting compound perplexes me , cause if it did not happen, then we could two coat. Any ideas on why it happens?

Drywaller
02-05-2004, 02:42 PM
My experience with only coating screws twice,(first coat hot mud,2nd coat lite mud)still didnt cut it, It really needs 3 coats,Therfore just use regular mud(lite)3 times and save the painter having to touch up screws before final paint coats.

Kirk
02-05-2004, 10:16 PM
I think the hump comes by using the hot mud too dry so that it pulls out. Or by using it too wet so it slumps. Where is the bump on your holes?

The best results come from applying in one direction and wiping from another, either the side or reverse. Then on the second coat reverse the steps. Good creamy mud helps a lot.

Kirk

RickA
02-06-2004, 02:19 AM
I've tried mixing my mud with every possible viscosity. I think we all know how to run nails (or screws). Have you seen that NFL/United Way comerical where the football player is spotting nails? Like most beginners he applys/wipes in the same direction.

It perplexes the heck out of me too. I think it has to do with the deep/sharp screw inset. Try making the same impression in painted drywall, then run it. You will fill it on application, but on the wipe stroke you seem to wipe some out. It as if it drags some out and forms the Janet jackson superbowl thing.

The best approach I've found is learn a little spanish :)
--rick

RickA
02-06-2004, 02:34 AM
If I run screws with my 8 or 10 (flexible blade) and don't wipe (keep blade nearly flat), it doesn't pull the material out. You can't do this with hot mud tho. If you do it with regular mud (lite), you still see the shrinkage on the screw head, and subsequent coats suck up too much water (from all the mud you left on the first coat) - and you have some sanding to do.

So the fastest approach is still the way it was done 30 years ago (on nails), 3 coats.

--rick